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Judges are obviously not listening to all remixes

We need some assurance that the judges have actually listened to and critiqued our remixes. In the contest terms, each remix is supposed to be graded on a 0-100 scale. Users need to have some sort of notification that their entry has been listened to by the judges, along with their score and comments from the judges. With the recent Jose James catastrophe, there needs to be a system to make sure all the remixes have been properly critiqued. I know that Jose James was on tour - so why was he given the responsibility to listen to 12+ hours worth of remixes? He obviously didn't listen to all of the entries, and picked a popular one that fit a preconceived notion of what he wanted. And if he did indeed listen to all the remixes, then he must have horrible taste in music. I won't continue supporting Indaba until every user's music is taken seriously and considered fairly.

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      • Anonymous commented  · 

        You're taking this way to seriously, taste is taste, everybody has different taste. Music is 99% free today and people are spoiled and have many many entertainment to consume. So, get yourself together. If you feel that this is the place for democracy, utopia etc, no, it's business like any other, and just because we all like to produce and listen to music, doesn't mean that any of use will make it in this industry ..., if your mix is that great, don't worry, we'll hear about it, until' then remember that this is just a hobby (even if you don't want to admit) for 99.11% of us who don't get paid for any work. And it doesn't matter if you made track for 15 minutes or 15 days, if it's good, it's good, if not, that's how it is.

      • Anonymous commented  · 

        What a great idea!!! If that happen I will make more remixes for sure!

      • Peter commented  · 

        I think this a completely reasonable request.

        BTW Please, there's no need to mention what the rules & regulations are - we are here to make suggestions because the rules may be inadequate. Comments below (eg James Reyna) that do nothing but remind us what the rules are, are frankly a waste of time.

        I don't think the judges need to listen to the entire piece. I wouldn't mind if they used discretion to listen to as much as they needed.

        But I do think it should be mandatory to listen to enough to "give it sone kind of score". There are 4 criteria to judge a song. I don't think they cover enough to allow the judges to quickly dismiss some mixes (as they need to do) Because, to be honest, more than 80% of the mixes I listen to are not anywhere near winning-material and I know it within 30 seconds.

        Nevertheless, they should be providing some kind of score.

        Perhaps there could be a "fail" score, where the mix is so obviously not up to par, it's not worth spending time on. Otherwise this suggestion is too hard for the judges.

        Hate to say it, but many mixes are basket-case bad. Even spending time thinking of a score for "originality/concept" etc would just be a waste of time. You have to be realistic and allow the judges to dismiss your mix as "bad". As long as they listen to it.

      • publicmuse commented  · 

        YES ! Some do ! Dynasty Electric does !
        I WOULD DO THE FOLLOWING : Indaba should oblidge the artist to enroll in Indaba and then make them listen to all Indaba remixes. That can been seen on the "listen" section. ONE IMPORTANT thing !!!!! The listen should could ONLY if 40 seconds of listening will occur !! Not just a hit play and a stop !! This way if an artist will listen for 40 seconds I am sure he will love my remix ! "Joke"
        Thanks
        Dimitrios

      • Peter commented  · 

        It would be good to get some kind of an indicator next to your submission that shows your track has been listened to by the judges in its entirety, after all the hard work we put in the least they can do is listen...

      • Fader Creep commented  · 

        It probably changes competition to competition.

        Jessie from Jessie & The Toy Boys commented on my submission that I uploaded to my YouTube saying she loved it. I seem to remember her commenting on actual submissions on Indaba too, of the ones she liked

        Personally I stay away from anything that is popular vote only, because those systems always get it twisted.

      • Seb G. (alias 110 Hz Maniac) commented  · 

        This is a realy interesting topic. I apologize for my poor English...
        I'm a music professionnal and I just did my first submission because I think the basic concept of Indaba is just fantastic: Allow new artists to prove what they can do by remixing artist which are already in the industry. I am wrong ? I think that the internet is a fantastic tool to get heard by many people quickly but how can we find the real diamond when there is 400 submissions? We are happy to get positive feedback from users when we are asking for but I know that if we don't connect to Indaba every day and promote our work in the discussion section we don't have any chance to get heard... I don't have the time to connect every day and my hard work will probably not be heard by the judges. I am really disapointed about that... I don't think the judge can give feedback to everybody but maybe a compromise can be found? I'm really happy that a lot of people can enjoy remixing great artist in Indaba but is it ok if a casual remixer who spend 4 hours making a remix and who post every day in Indaba have greatly more chance to win than someone who spend 5 days to make a quality work?
        If the judges have the chance to listen to the 4 hours "casual remix" and the 5 days "serious remix" I am hundred percent sure that they will notice the difference and choose the second one !
        Being a great remixer IS NOT about being good at digital self promotion. Being a great remixer is about spending years in your home studio to master the music theory, choose and know your gear by heart to define your own style. I sincerly think that these pasionnate people have the right to be heard by Indaba's judges.

      • Robert M commented  · 

        There are so many talented writers, musicians, mix engineers / mastering engineers here. It beggers belief to listen to the quality of some of the 'winning' submissions. We know it's not the actual 'craft' of creating good music which determines a winner here - but it is a system which can be manipulated if savvy enough in IT. How people get the rediculous amounts of votes that they do only indicates a systemic falure which doesn't promote real talent. What a shame.

      • noor.g.smms commented  · 

        I think the whole idea of getting feedback from judges is really helpful in improving future work!

      • p.dahl-collins commented  · 

        By the way, we've had some success here but we've pretty much lost interest, largely owing to the Facebook crap.

      • p.dahl-collins commented  · 

        Well, that's just how it is, sadly. I don't really bother entering anything here any more. I'm never happy to see Facebook voting either - that's not being judged on your work - it's being judged on how many friends you have on Facebook. I think it all sort of stinks now.

        Peter,
        crashtvRMX

      • Bipolar21 commented  · 

        I think I depends on the artist and or the label and how much they care about the remix. The last one that I saw win was ok, but the mix and master was not professional grade, which made me wonder.... Also that track was the #1 voted for which blew my mind. It seemed for that contest he just listened to maybe the top 5 and picked one of them. There were far Better remixes out there by many others who spend many hours. When working within a remix competition u have to do what you want to do and what you will be happy listening to for you or you will be disappointed. Don't worry about winning just make something you think is awesome and you'll always win!!! LOL

      • James Reyna commented  · 

        i'll take a stab at answering this accusation. no where in the agreement between you and indaba or between you and the provider of the masters does it state that a judge is required to listen to your remix from beginning to end and provide you with a critique or the scoring method to which they employed to come to their final decision. every individual has their own criteria as to what their preferences are and that includes judges. if i can listen to your remix and within the first ten seconds, i know whether or not your production is tight, what sounds you used from the original stems, whether or not you took a chance and whether or not you were playing it safe. as an artist, i can imagine that i would not want a remix that is out of key and or out of sync with the vocals released upon the world... unless of course this was done in some incredibly creative way... but that is my opinion. and i think this is completely reasonable. music industry a&r won't listen to a demo all the way through if it doesn't catch their attention initially. by entering the contest you agree that you are 100% okay with the judge and their musical tastes. my expectations are certainly not that the judges will listen to my remix all the way through and provide me with its score. some artists will provide indaba with additional information concerning who was in the top ten in their decision to choose the winner. but this is not part of the contract you agreed to and is not required.

      • Marcus commented  · 

        Both of the comments sounds like sore losers. I'm sorry, but it's true. I don't think there's a conspiracy out there. I don't think some people are getting advanced copies of the stems before others. I think some people's work schedule or lack-thereof may give them the opportunity to spend 6 hours remixing as soon as the event opens.

        This is just a complaint for not winning. Who cares what Jose James' musical preferences are. You didn't win. Get over it.

      • villainsanonymous commented  · 

        What was the Jose James catastrophe? I haven't really kept up with the competition since I submitted my mix.

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