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Judges are obviously not listening to all remixes

We need some assurance that the judges have actually listened to and critiqued our remixes. In the contest terms, each remix is supposed to be graded on a 0-100 scale. Users need to have some sort of notification that their entry has been listened to by the judges, along with their score and comments from the judges. With the recent Jose James catastrophe, there needs to be a system to make sure all the remixes have been properly critiqued. I know that Jose James was on tour - so why was he given the responsibility to listen to 12+ hours worth of remixes? He obviously didn't listen to all of the entries, and picked a popular one that fit a preconceived notion of what he wanted. And if he did indeed listen to all the remixes, then he must have horrible taste in music. I won't continue supporting Indaba until every user's music is taken seriously and considered fairly.

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      • Georgiy commented  · 

        The Artist and the Sponsors and their designated appointees will, in their sole discretion, select Remixes based on the following criteria: Originality (0-25 points), Creativity (0-25 points), Concept (0-25 points), and Musicality (0-25 points).

        If the remixes are not selected based on the criteria "I just like it", it would be very useful for ther rest of participents to know how many points did they get and the winners did.

        What do we have to improve? Originality? Creativity? Concept? Musicality? Don't you think it would be not only useful but also fair to all of us?

        Not a problem for me if I got for Originality (0 points), Creativity (0 points), Concept (0 points) and Musicality (0 points) - not at all. It is not about why someone has won the contest and others not - it is a competition. It is about the knowledge how we all were rated (judged).

        What is the point of participatng in this kind of competition? If you say before the contest that every submission will be judged and get the points so let us know how much points did we get for our work.

        Making remixes is a waisting of our time or judges do realy listen and give the points for Originality, Creativity, Concept, Musicality?

        It doesn't have to be about just a musical taste of judges if there is any fairness in those contests - give the points to every submition so we can see at least that judges listened to all the submissions and how they do realy judge.

      • Blackhart Rmx commented  · 

        After seeing what happened witht he Cassanova Remix contest I will never take indaba contest serious ever again.... Time wasted smhh

        Shame...

      • Isaac Taylor commented  · 

        Isn't only listening to the top ten popular entries contradicting the phrase "More votes will not make your submission more likely to win the Grand Prize."? Some people start their mixes from day one and work on it until the very end, being sure to be true to the music and create something worthwhile. Methinks creativity is endangered by concerning popularity so heavily.

      • Kaliber commented  · 

        I stopped submitting remixes too. I did a remix for Nimiche - Identify contest and the chosen winner was clearly a raffle. The winner submission was technically and musically inferior to all other submissions, no way it could win! Dont get me wrong, Im not saying my remix should win, there were a lot of submissions better than mine! So, what about the effort of the people who made these better tracks? all this work for the judges to just doing a raffle and chose a "winner"?

      • Mike Stone commented  · 

        That’s why I stopped submitting remixes to Indaba. I think that they were either ignoring my remixes, or snubbing them.

      • Anonymous commented  · 

        What a steaming heap...

      • Sean Dever commented  · 

        This is from a recent contest's rules section...
        From the top ten (10) Remix entries, as determined by popular vote, the Artist and the Sponsors and their designated appointees will, in their sole discretion, select three (3) Remixes as popular vote winners (“Popular Vote Winners”) based on the following criteria: Originality (0-25 points), Creativity (0-25 points), Concept (0-25 points), and Musicality (0-25 points). The Popular Vote Winners will each receive: one (1) year Pro Status to Indaba Music (ARV $50.00 USD per Pro Status) (“Popular Vote Winners Prize”).
        This section shows that the Judges are only listening to the top 10 popular vote remixes.
        So, the issue seems pretty clear...
        Any early entry will have the advantage. If mixer A submits early after 2 or 3 hours of work (something I've seen posted), and mixer B takes 2 weeks to produce a product that kills it, and submits just before the deadline... Mixer A has a distinct advantage. Mixer B put in time and effort that mixer A did not. Yet the scales tip towards A. Most members have lost interest in listening, commenting, or voting on a song they've been hearing for 3 weeks when someone submits just before the deadline. This needs to change if professional quality is to be endorsed.

      • R commented  · 

        i have seen very few winners that are professional quality with massive phase issues which is not accepted on any real release so i wonder about this myself

      • Anonymous commented  · 

        Yes they are not listening to all the mixes. In one recent contest the winners that were chosen had submitted songs that were not in tune with the rest of the arrangement.
        Might be what they wanted but it sounds very odd.

      • Clay commented  · 

        yes, someone someway's a horrible taste

      • Hauke Pengel commented  · 

        I think there is always a back up plan when competitions with high prices are happening. I guess the organizers has at least one artist in the contest that would win if there is no satisfying contribution. In general I think it's ok. It should be a "make a better remix than xxx" contest then but that's just my personal opinion, maybe they don't want to spoil the desired direction of the remix. But what I read hear that last minute contributions with 1 play are winning is very disrespectful to the community. After all, I am not dreaming of getting rich or famous through Indaba competitions but I am happy to get nice stems from time to time to work with. Also, there are some good other remix competition websites that have awesome tracks. Even with live artist feedback on Facebook (SKIO Music). I still like and stay with Indaba Music though :)

      • shestopalov.anatoly commented  · 

        I fully agree with what is written above,there are tracks that don't pull to win ,but they win ,I think all the tracks you don't listen ..although I am still interested in composing music,if the soul is happy ,and satisfied.

      • Andy MetroSubway commented  · 

        Hi Valdo, so true, this does happen from time to time (much more frequently these days with a lot of comps), unless a mind blowing unknown artist uploads a remix, then that will create possibility... Some remix websites are a great tool for cheap advertising costs for the artist/band/their mgmt etc (consisting of the artists sign up fee to the remix comp organiser and also the cost of the prize). At the same time, some fake/new accounts are created by pro-remixers as a pseudonym in alliance with the artists mgmt company, (this allows them to plan the winner well before the comp starts, also eliminating any possible backlash or brand damage towards the predetermined pro-remixers original name/brand identity with other labels etc).
        Ball in the other court: At the same time, if you were the artist, you want your mgmt company to promote you the best way that they can. Remembering its a business and a mind field out there! Also the mgmt team have a certain direction and strategy that they are looking to send the artist towards. So in a way, I don't blame them for doing it. A little frustrating, but no surprise to the industry. I guess we as amateur remixers need to view the entering of comps as free advertising for us, networking and raising our profile, sub consciously pushing us to improve our next remix.
        **Light at the end of the tunnel: Keep in mind, a lot of music label scouts/A&R managers etc, visit Indaba along with the other remix comp websites, so hope is not lost ;)

      • Valdo Loureiro commented  · 

        Fake accounts for the prize winners. That's really a low blow. Remix Nytrix "Love Never Dies" to win $ 800 and Remix Little Indians "The Hunt" to win $ 500 are examples of contests where they created fake accounts just to win the contest. It's a shame, this is not a serious contest.

      • Anonymous commented  · 

        Indaba Music is one big scam, they will steal your music, your ideals, then create a fake submission to win their own judging contest so that they want have to pay the real winners, so they create fake submission, please stay away from Indaba they are one BIG Scam out to seal other artists ideals and possibly your music Brian McFarland is one big head bitch scam artist.

      • Pyth3rEx commented  · 

        I do totally agree with that... Hope this is taken in consideration... As a young and new artist to the music industry I totally support this.

      • Anonymous commented  · 

        Remix Nytrix's "Love Never Died" to win $800 was a rig-up a the last minute they created a fake submission had 1 play 1 like 1 vote and won

        Remix Nytrix's "Love Never Died" to win $800 was a rig-up, at the last minute they created a fake submission, they only had 1 play 1 like 1 vote and won the competition it was very unfair, this unfair judging must stop please look into this.

      • Erik commented  · 

        ABANDON that sucking FACEBOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        WHY THE VOTING MUST BE WITH F*CKBOOK ?? I hate that facebook.!!! The votes must be actually with the current account in which the user is logged on, but based on external other things. Not everyone uses it when its about music.

      • Massichat commented  · 

        Why not use the same criteria of a real competition?

        1- Indaba will rename with anonymous numbers remixes before making them available to judges.
        2- The remixes should no longer be available for listening and voting (popularity) before the announcement of the winner.
        3- remixes should not be available to the judges before the deadline.
        4. The list of participants should not be available to the judges before announcing the winner.

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